This blog follows my 7 x great-grandfather, Peter Winder and specifically his son, John, my 6 x great-grandfather who lived in Ireland. Peter’s two sons; John and Joseph would have returned with their father in 1668/69 and were educated in England. John was about 10 years old and Joseph about 6 years old when their father died.
John was ordained as a priest in 1677 by the Bishop of Chester and returned to Ireland, where he is found as the Vicar of Carnmoney in the 1690’s Rumour has it that he went over with King William the third at the Battle of the Boyne. However, records show he was in Magheralin, Down, Northern Ireland in 1678 as mentioned in the Clergy of Dromore.
He married Jane Do(a)ne of Utkinton, Cheshire soon after coming to Ireland with king William 3rd. By 1692 he is Prebend in Tyholland (Clogher). Since he was ordained by the Bishop of Chester did he meet jane during his time in Chester as Utkinton is just miles from Chester? In 1693, Vicar of Aghagallon, (Connor). On the 20th July 1694 he was gathering evidence against Rev. Thomas Ward who was accused of simony, adultery and fornication as written in a letter to the Lord Bishop, William King.
By 1697 he has taken over the living of his friend, Jonathan Swift, as Prebend of Kilroot, a post he held until 1716. He was Vicar of Carnmoney from 1697-1733 when he died. He was acting as a J.P. in the winter of 1705 during the McBride affair. In 1716 he became the Rector of Skerry and Racavan also until his death in 1733.
His daughter, Elizabeth was born in 1709, at the age of 50. She went on to marry George Macartney and is the mother of the Earl Macartney of Lissanoure castle. Sadly she died, aged just 36, in 1755.
According to Swift’s notes on various families he had close ties with, John Winder died at 5 o’ clock in the morning on the 29th June 1733, being 75 years of age, and was interred in the church of Belfast exactly under the communion table on Sunday night at 12 o’ clock. Most precise.
Joseph first appears again the 8th October 1687 as an able-seaman on the Bristol, in the Royal Navy. His career spans nearly 50 years. His will survives.
In Peter’s will he doesn’t mention his wife but mentions his father-in-law, Robert Stamper of Workington leading me to believe that he was married to his daughter. Other records indicate that he married Alice Hillman in Ireland so here there is a discrepancy over who was John and Joseph’s mother. He may have married Ms Stamper on his return from Ireland and as the registers for 1667/68 and 1668/69 are missing there is no way of confirming this.
Winder Family History 
Hallo Gary! Very clearly put! I dreamt last night that there was a “Lyndon Stew” recipe in our family that continues today. Only thing from your fine records that I question a bit is that I suspect that there are at least two wives of John (if not three) given the distribution of years of birth of the children of John (1682 to 1718). There is a huge gap between Jane’s year of birth in 1682 and Edward’s in 1697. Do you have an exact verifiable record of the marriage between John & Jane in Cheshire in 1680? My suspicion is that Jane Doane is from a later second marriage in Ireland, the marriage that gives birth to Edward onwards. From Jane’s mother’s will (or is it her grandmother’s?) will in your family tree, she is connected with the Lyndons of Carrickfergus. I would think it took til 1696 before John had a decent living that he could impress Jane’s Lyndon relatives and receive a good dowry. But I’d love to see verified the actual record of a Jane and John match from Cheshire, otherwise I’d put my money on a Jane John liason in Ireland in the late 1690s when there’s a bit of money about, and a marriage to a poorer wench in the early 1680s probably in Ireland. I think John was broke in 1680 but perhaps it was a love match with Jane Doane in Cheshire? I also think that the date for Elizabeth’s birth might be a little late – I think I have a claim somewhere that she was born in 1708 and not 1718 but where that comes from is a mystery, I’ll try digging it out. In the meantime, keep at this fine piece of writing! Now, where’s my bowl of Lyndon stew?
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